behindthec: (ryden.)
Colin ([personal profile] behindthec) wrote2009-04-15 12:33 pm

"THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE BOYS! THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT!"

cut for hugeness, polls, brainstorming, recs, etc.



a few recs:

http://dys-topia.livejournal.com/4819.html
SHE WROTE IT!!!!!!!!! *dances* don't ask me why i like this pairing; it is too complex to explain. HOWEVER, everyone must write it now, in order to win my eternal love. please please please please please??

http://emmuzka.livejournal.com/296825.html
this is really disturbing, but amazing. read the warnings. i would LOVE a sequel.

http://community.livejournal.com/diedandreborn/46037.html
utterly delicious. oh god. more of this forever. sleepysex with top!ryan is my favourite. nnngggghh.

random, but BEST MOTHERFUCKING ICON EVER. [livejournal.com profile] the_randomist... ily.

also totally random, but something popped up in my gmail ads yesterday and it took me a moment to figure out why, and it's because the following line is in chapter 8 (i write all fic in gmail drafts): "Brendon steps outside, out the glass doors and down the path, past the hammock until his bare feet meet sun-warmed wood." HERE IS THE SCREENSHOT:



can't stop laughing, omfg!

so, okay. i really wish people wouldn't go anon just to tell me something they think i don't want to hear. (exception being when i know who you are but for privacy reasons you go anon to say something; that's FINE). if you go anon just to say something you're afraid to say logged in (said exception aside), dude, i'm not going to dislike you for expressing your opinion, especially when it's done nicely. i respect all opinions expressed maturely and politely. i don't care what you say to me; i have no idea who you are; even non-anon you're still just an icon and a username. we're all open and friendly here. don't be afraid.

i hate how so many people here seem to be (and often admit to once being) intimidated by me. what the hell is so off-putting about me? i talk to everyone. i answer every comment, message, and email (eventually). i hold open house posts for lurkers, where i've made some of my best friends. how am i intimidating? i don't get it. :(

i also i wanted to reply publicly to that comment about biting off more than i can chew, fic-wise, to explain how i write. first off, i am not planning on writing all these fics at once. :P i'll be choosing one, and the others will be put on hold. the way i work is, i have to write whatever fic i am obsessed with at the time. so i may have tons of ideas and planned-out fics in my mind, but when i actually sit down and commit to something, it has to be what i'm excited/obsessed/passionate about at that given moment; once i actually start writing it, i generally stay obsessed till i finish. this is why i so rarely take prompts or requests, and when i do, i make a huge prompt post and pick the one i connect with most. i have to really *want* to write the fic; i can't write based on what you guys want or when. for it to turn out well, it has to be what i want, when i want it. that sounds so selfish, but that's the only way it works. otherwise i won't enjoy it, and the quality will suffer. make sense?

also, the reason i'm so excited about this fic is because it would be my first real AU, and you know i've always been very meh about AUs in the past b/c they don't feel real to me, and i'm big on canon. but canon is stressing me out too much lately; i'm too attached to it, too affected by it, too dependent on it; i think it would be really emotionally healthy for me to write something that i have complete control over; where it doesn't matter if ryan's doing coke IRL or brendon has a girlfriend. plus i think it's a very important transitional step for me to take if i ever want to write original fiction someday, which i do. plus it's just indulgent and FUN, and i want fic to be fun again.

so, there's my reasoning.

moving on! okay, so clearly, there are as many people for kilts as against them. i personally still find them kind of ridiculous, though the fact that someone mentioned they were generally worn without underwear is a definite plus. idk. what do you think? feel free to post photographic support for your opinion in the comments, otherwise i'm going with no.

[Poll #1384130]

i could always set this in ireland too, considering i have a much stronger mental memory of irish accents than i do scottish (and i even PREFER irish accents). We went with scottish b/c sara had heard that ryan is part scottish, and we know brendon is, but… idk, i could definitely go irish. thoughts?

[Poll #1384131]

also, bagpipes are out; i just went with them initially 'cause it was obvious. :P pianos, so much sexier than bagpipes. also, my first historical request: what other instruments were there in late 19th century scotland? anything guitar-esque? AUs are much easier for me to swallow (lol) if they maintain the basic canon of the characters being musicians. i want ryan to play something. also, i have some ideas for what to do with jon and spence and other bandom peeps, but if you have thoughts for them, let's hear it. i'm considering a side of joncer, maybe. idk. kinda cliche.

last night before bed my brain developed about 2k worth of dialogue for this fic, which is. a very good or very bad thing. some more brainstorming with soph last night:

Sophie: me: AND BY "THE WORLD" HE MEANS "MY DICK"
Sophie: WELL YES
lols
me: YESSSSS :D
or maybe oh god
5:11 PM
maybe he and brendon had this adorable ~courtship before
and they ksised and stuff
but never actually had sex
and before they could, ryan was sold as a slave!
Sophie: awww
me: so when they meet up again years later, they get to have their first time!
Sophie: i think they should flirt
me: total epic faily flirting
Sophie: def
me: brenodn can bring him fucking FLOWERS and stuff
5:12 PM
Sophie: omgggggg
and Ryan's all blushy and Idk-what-to-do-with-this-affection
me: i knowwwwww
Sophie: but also smiley
me: and they have to run off to the park at night to be alone, 'cause, ryan's dad
5:13 PM
Sophie: yess
and pls bden has to hrow pebbles at ryan's window
me: OF COURSE.
and climb the tree to his window while wearing his kilt :D
Sophie: AND RYAN CLIMBS DOWN AND IS FAILY AND BDEN HAS TO CATCH HIM
me: YES!!!!
5:14 PM
and they are all tangled and blushy on the ground
Sophie: like in the making of that green gentleman video
me: :LSKEJR:LIEFE YES!!!!!
that gif makes my life
Sophie: and bden's just like eeeeeeeee, I caught a ryro
gif?
i has no gif
just the dvd lol
me: EEEEEEE
oh, well, gifs of it have been made lol
5:15 PM
Sophie: well. yes
AND THE MOON IS OUT. AND RYAN IS PRETTY. AND BRENDON IS LIKE "... you're pretty"
5:16 PM
and it is cold so he has to give ryan is coat
except then ryan is a girl
lol
i fail at making them boys
me: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
THEY DONT' HAVE TO BE BOYS IN THIS
THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT
Sophie: YESSSSSS \o/
5:17 PM
maybe they should nearly kiss but then Ryan sez he has to go home
and Bden thinks they can ~nxt time
and then Ryan gets made a sex slave
me: AWWWWWWWWWWWW
ASKLERJAOFAPO3I
nooooo!!!
they have to have one kiss!!!
5:18 PM
Sophie: hahaha
fiiiiine
is your fic
lol
me: ONE KISS
BEFORE YEARS OF MISERY
come on
i just need to figure out how he gets all ~stolen. or if his father ends up broke and actually sells him. :/
5:19 PM
Sophie: HAHA I SEX OK
UM. SEZ
me: HAHAHAHA
you sex okay
Sophie: i do ok
i thinks he gets sold :/
me: i knowwww ugh
5:20 PM
Sophie: which is like. gah.
me: i KNOW
Sophie: and can Bden get pissed at his dad?
or something?
me: yeah, totally
i see his dad eventually committing suicide though
once he realizes what he's done
maybe he was drunk when he sold him
Sophie: yeah
makes sense. in a morbid way
me: UGH POOR RYAN
5:21 PM
Sophie: why are we writing such depressing aus?
me: I DON'T KNOW
Sophie: they are aus. WE COULD HAVE UNICORNS
me: KIK!!!!!
er, LOL!!!
Sophie: lolol
me: YES
BRENODN RESCUES RYAN ON A UNICORN
LIKE IN PRIZONER OF AZKABAN
prisoner, even
Sophie: OMG YES
me: AND ITS NAME IS SPARKLES
Sophie: omg lol
5:22 PM
:D
okay. srs bsnss

*headdesk* that last bit was a joke. most of this is a joke. :P

what i wanted is for them to have a kiss (or maybe sex, once), and then the next day ryan is sold into slavery. brendon is present for it all, he's hanging onto the bars on the back of the carriage where ryan is locked in, their fingers overlapping as brendon promises him, "i'll come for you, i promise." and such begins the Quest.

also, thoughts for what ryan's dad's shop is? what kind of business? i have some ideas for how ry and bden meet; i think ryan sees him around a few times before, gets caught staring, etc., and then he finally runs into him (literally, b/c, cute) in the marketplace one day. and is utterly faily and shy and ends up running off. but bden just smiles after him because he's all hearteyes and stuff. ugh, so many ideas swarming in my head. all i want to do is sit and write them down all day, and instead i have to work. :(

i will jot down this one moment i don't want to forget. ryan and brendon sneak off during one point in their faily ~courtship and spend the afternoon by the river or something, sprawled on their backs watching the sun, and the subject of death comes up, and ryan talks about how you have to live each moment, b/c you could die the next (in typical melodramatic, morbid ross fashion :P), and bden's kinda quiet... and that night is the night he throws pebbles at ryan's window in the middle of the night (\o/!), and ryan opens up and lets him in (AHEM) and he's like wtf are you doing here dumbass, my dad will ACTUALLY MURDER YOU if he finds out. and bden just crowds him against the wall, breathless, their foreheads touching, hands joined, and says, "i know, i know, i just couldn't, what if we died and i'd never told you?" and ry's like, "told me what?" and bren says, "that i love you," like it's the most obvious thing in the world, and kisses him. UGH MY HEART. i really, really want them to have sex that one night, and then the next day ryan gets taken. :'( but, i also love the idea of them having their First Time years later... y'know... um... after ryan's been a SEX SLAVE for however many years, so, okay, maybe not. :P though, bden could teach him how sex is ~beautiful. *eyeroll* clicheeeeeeeeeee, ack! thoughts?

sigh. my brain. my life. enough of this nonsense.

[identity profile] adelda.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
if they have sex before ryan gets taken away as a sex slave and then have sex again after he gets rescued it could be really neat seeing the way he's changed, like the way he behaves nothing like he did the first time, which would have been awkward and shy or something and now he's all methodical and unable to let go. or something. maybe. but if not the idea that they have to wait is heartbreakingly good too.
also... ryan does coke irl?

[identity profile] eilo18.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
come onnn, you know scottish is the way to go!!
(and i'm totally not saying this cos i'm scottish... no way... *ahem*)

you can get some really lovely scottish accents btw, people assume we all sound like glasweigens, but that's completely untrue. scottish accents are beautiful outside of glasgow, i promise you. i live in edinburgh, and the accent's really soft up here, none of that 'AH KEN, AYE!'. i wouldn't cope.

i really hope you go with scottish, because i would DIE FROM THE JOY :DDDD

<33

p.s. i've never never never EVER worn a kilt... and neither have most of my friends. just, ew.

[identity profile] verbosediatribe.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
19th Century Guitar = Really only an acoustic guitar with pretty carvings in it and slimmer shape, like this beauty: http://www.soundpost.co.uk/19thcb+s.jpg

AUs are so great.(Probably think this because I fail at canon, as I like giving characters quirks that aren't already built in. -fails at fanfiction and should drag sorry ass back to original pieces-)You can do whatever the hell you want. It's so great.

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, i agree. i cannot wait to dress him up as a high-class hooker! it's going to be so exciting! :D

ahah, yeah, i'm not sure what his dad's gonna be yet... i think i'm stuck on blacksmith.

<3

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, maybe you can help me work out the whole debt details, i have no idea how that stuff works. :P don't they usually take... possessions, rather than... offspring? LOL

i actually read The Dead! but... i don't remember it. :P lol

no kilts. :D

thank god there's money in it, 'cause he has to be rich enough to buy ryan for a night later on, and be treated like a king by ryan's ~boss.

someone suggested harp or dulcimer for ryan, which, just, YES. HIS FINGERS, ON A HARP? INSTANT ORGASM.

yeah, the teaching about sex is just, ugh. i'll go to you for advice then too. :) i want it realistic and uncliche, so.

yay vampirefic!!!!! will check email in morning. <3

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
heeeee word.

awww, thanks bb.

i agree, no kilts. they make me laugh. :P AND OHAI, ILY. <3

[identity profile] noahatthedisco.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
EEE, i wanna read so badly!!!
you do realize this is totally just indulging your crossdressing kink to a MASSIVE leave, right?
and it's kind of awesome... =DDD

That could be cool.
cause Dad would be all like... buff and strong like, and then he wouldn't like little Ryro because he's not a Real Boy and can't take over his father's smithing or some shit...

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
yesssssssss to ALL. :DDD

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
HAHA, DUDE, AWESOME!!

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
dude, i want to talk to everyone! clearly not everyone likes me, and i highly doubt everyone knows me, lol. i like everyone, never be shy. <3

i'm glad you're commenting! not scary at all. :)

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
awww, thank you. lol, the drama made me laugh a lot, actually. ah, people.

pccf, right, i've almost forgotten. i need to finish that. :D

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
duuuuuuuuuude. YES. OH MY GOD. the guy playing even has long ryro-esque fingers! GUHHHHHHH. so fucking hot. and that's something he could probably teach himself, much more easily than the harp... though the harp is one of those glamorous things they'd want him to play for people at parties when he's a courtesan (or kept boy, or, idk exactly what the arrangement will be yet). idk. ugh, i'm torn.

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
that... is a very, very good point. i really like that. guh, i can't decide! LOL

idk about ryan and coke, really. rumors and stuff.

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
ahaha awesome! and yeah, i love scottish accents... i'm just so much more familiar with irish; i feel like it might be easier to write.

kilts make me giggle. ;)

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
ooh, it's so pretty. and weird. haha. awesome, thanks.

yeah, AUs can be fantastic when they're done well. my big complaint is that i rarely see enough of the people we know in the characters.

[identity profile] stelaclaudi.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
what other instruments were there in late 19th century scotland?
LUTES.
(well, wrong century, according to wikipedia, but.)
accordions? :|

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
oooooh! lutes are cool, i like lutes.

bahaha, accordions. brendon. ♥
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[identity profile] the-randomist.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
OMFG NOOO there are futuristic fics. like this one and this one :D :D :D

[identity profile] melody-so-sweet.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
:O I didn't know!
omg thanks for the links!
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[identity profile] the-randomist.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
no problem! and here is a bunch of panic scifi fics \O/

[identity profile] theyreonlyword.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
*delurking*

i hate how so many people here seem to be (and often admit to once being) intimidated by me. what the hell is so off-putting about me? i talk to everyone. i answer every comment, message, and email (eventually). i hold open house posts for lurkers, where i've made some of my best friends. how am i intimidating? i don't get it. :(

For me, at least, it's not that you are intimidating, it's that I'm shy, so interaction in general is intimidating. And yeah, you're super friendly and encourage the lurking, and encourage people to talk to you, but lurking is still easier than making contact. Maybe other people feel the same way.

[identity profile] j-plash.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
First - RYAN. HARP. YEEEEESSSS. Orgasm. Awesome.

Now...Yeah. Lmao. The thing is, for slavefic to work at all, you have to take artistic license. Realistically, little Scottish boys were not being kidnapped and sold as sex slaves in the 19th century. Sex slaves tend to come from impoverished families in eastern Europe, which is tragic, but isn't terribly helpful for fic :P Fudging has to be done for the plot to work at all. There are places where reality is simpler to work around than others. This part's relatively simple, 'cause you just say he's in a fuckload of debt, doesn't own his business, doesn't own their flat, and his possessions won't pay it. You still had essentially indentured servitude in impoverished Ireland (lots) and I imagine Scotland, and hell, there probably was debt slavery in the underground/black market. It's the *sex* slavery for *boys* that's an issue, but leave that part out at the beginning. It's easier to sell once you take it away from the 'safe, home, normal' setting. More on that at the bottom (this is a stupidly long rambling comment :P). Brendon in the beginning is going to have to be *completely* broke (like, familyless and apprenticing unpaid in piano-building to a horrible person who won't lend him a cent), because whoever seizes Ryan for debt payment in Scotland is not going to be asking much for a scrawny Scottish kid with limited apparent uses. That's fun anyway though, lmao.

Where it gets a little more complicated/fun :P with the history-fudging is the Paris part, 'cause slavery wasn't legal in 19th century Paris (though you could make it so in the AU, that's always an option). My pick would prob be the paying off the police version, where the people in charge are paying off the police to turn a blind eye, and the slaves are prevented from running away themselves/declaring the truth on stage (because there's on-stageness involved here, yeah?) by a combination/selection of straightforward slaveficcy 'boys in chains' (*head hurts from slavefic* :P) or locked doors and armed guards and guns and beatings and etc. Then Ryan can't run away 'cause there's chains and/or guns and people who'll kill him, and Brendon can't just go to the police and say, um, hey - 'cause they'll call up the bad guys on the way there and give them warning to hide everything.

And then that can go a couple of ways too, you can have Ryan warn Brendon of this so he doesn't even try the police, just goes straight to the attempting to buy then attempting to rescue, or you can go the more masochistic Brendon tries the police and the police tell the bad guys and Ryan is spirited away/punished/both and angst ensues...

It's all fairly silly in terms of plot device XD, but slavefic's like that, lol :D But yeah, my bet for plot workings would be:

...in the next comment, 'cause my comment won't fit. LMAO.

[identity profile] j-plash.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
So. New comment XD My bet for plot workings would be (and obv. this is only one way of doing it, completely off the top of my head, and it could be done a million different ways):

Ryan's dad doesn't own his business or flat, has huge gambling and drinking debt, the shady lawless underground who've lent him gambling/drinking money take all his possessions and his little dog too :P i.e. seize Ryan and cart him off while Brendon falls to pieces 'cause he owns nothing and can't borrow enough to free him.

They cart Ryan either to London or to the continent (or to wherever else you want), where it'll be easier to sell him, and at some point someone somehow looks at him and thinks scrawny Scottish Ryan would make a good sex slave. Oh, oh, or, actually, EXCELLENT, you could totally use the whole performing thing you have going, and have him actually be picked up by the Parisian asshole (who owns the brothel/cabaret) or his henchmen because he plays harp and sings and whatever and is tolerably pretty and going cheap, so they just plan to use him for the show and who knows what else, but then once they get him there (or once they buy him, or...) and clean him up, they're like oh, wait, you're more than tolerably pretty...and badness ensues. That'd make the sex slave part make waaaay more sense. So he ends up enslaved in a Parisian brothel. He can't escape because there's guards and/or chains, etc, and one day Brendon sees him onstage (where he is prevented from saying anything by the ever-present threat of violence). Brendon has to know the truth, and unable to find out any other way, buys a night, all the stuff you said about being fabulously rich and being treated like a king by the dickhead owner and etc. There is aaaaangst and lots and lots of lack of trust and trauma victimness and stuff, but Brendon manages to get the truth out of Ryan. He wants to march right out of there with him, but Ryan points out/bitterly laughs while refusing to trust Brendon an inch depending on desired levels of angst XD that they're both scrawny Scottish kids and cannot overpower armed guards. Or is traumatised and says he won't go with him. Or any number of other things. Angst. Then Brendon tries to buy him, and can't, because the guy won't sell. And there's more angst about that (incl. possibly from Ryan that Brendon's trying to *buy* him at all). Then Brendon wants to go to the police, and either Ryan stops him, or he does, and shit happens as rambled about above, etc, because the police tip off the brothel owner, and.... There is lots of angst. Eventually, rescue is somehow effected, and then you're up to the recovery and comfort and eventual sex thing, all of which is nightmarish :P Hopefully in the best possible way ;D But hard. LOTS of angst. Which I will not ramble about and make this any longer, 'cause you know :P But yeah. There’s loads and loads and loads of subplotting in all that, but it’s the subplotting that’s the angsty, less hilarious, more work part :P

Haha, that was long. I get carried away about slavefic, lol. It's one of the absolute most interesting parts of ficdom to me. I *want* this fic now, lol. What have you done to me? :P
Anyway, so I am clearly enthused ;D Hope that was mildly helpful in some way!

[identity profile] o-nyx-o.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
Totally unrelated but I hope it...uh...inspires you anyway.

http://teainagarden.livejournal.com/19736.html?view=81688#t81688

=D Lalalalalalalalalala...

[identity profile] lolab.livejournal.com 2009-04-16 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
hi, welcome!

it's okay; i understand that. i just notice that so many anons actually leave comments (which is, y'know, "interaction") so i figure why not just get an LJ account? but i see you have one so, that's cool, haha. :)

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